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Strumelia
@strumelia
10/15/22 01:42:38PM
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My own thoughts are that a VSL of between 25"-27" is really ideal if one is intending to play in the key of D a great deal. (most dulcimers play in D more than in any other key). Once you get in the longer 28-30" vsl range, you are going to start breaking strings a little more often, and the shorter you go ...say 22-24", the heavier strings you will need to put on in order to play comfortably in the key of D.

That's the reason epinettes (which often have a typical vsl of only 21" or so) are usually tuned higher for the key of G (3 steps up from the usual dulcimer D). And dulcimers longer than 28" scale length often do better when tuned to C (1 step lower than the usual D).

Beginner dulcimer players often worry that they 'need' a shorter vsl because they have small hands. What they don't take into account are two important factors: 1) They be using also their thumb while fretting ...which extends their reach way beyond what most guitar players do using only four fingers ...and 2) Because of the drone-friendly tunings of dulcimers in the first place, one frequently is making use of open strings while fretting chords. So it's not really all that common or critical to make a long stretch when chording. When it does come up that a long stretch is needed, your thumb can neatly solve the issue most of the time.

While I wouldn't necessarily recommend a 28-30" vsl dulcimer to people with smaller hands, I think that vsl's of 25-27" are great for people with any size hands, even small hands.  Just my two cents.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
10/15/22 11:05:11AM
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IMHO FB Marketplace is not a particularly good place to shop for dulcimers if you are inexperienced with them.  Neither is Goodwill.  Most of us who really care about our instruments would not sell there, I think.  

FYI the New Harmony Pudge has a 24"VSL, considered by many to be a most excellent length, and hardly too small for you.  I build and play a 24-25" VSL instrument as well as 28-30" instruments.  The McSpadden Ginger has a nominally 24" VSL and the same notion applies.   

IMHO, with your lack of experience you are fretting (all puns intended) far too much over the VSL.  After you've played everyday for 6 months, you'll have some idea of what  "too big" or "too small" mean to you personally.

What exactly is the issue with the tuners?  Are they too tight?  Or too loose and don't keep the strings in tune?  Have broken knobs?  We can talk you through fixing them if they are too tight or too loose.  No need to spend money when a quick fix with a screwdriver will do the job.



updated by @ken-hulme: 10/15/22 11:21:55AM
Strumelia
@strumelia
10/15/22 09:47:50AM
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(runs and hides my trusty can of Pledge before anyone sees it...) duck

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
10/14/22 10:45:24PM
1,338 posts



Please, please, never use Pledge on a dulcimer or any other instrument made of wood. Pledge contains substances that make it virtually impossible to repair cracks, dings, and scratches because they prevent the absorption of stains to match the color of the wood. This causes any repair to stand out like a sore thumb. Instead use a good instrument polish like the ones sold by C. F. Martin, Gibson, Fender, and other guitar makers.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

John W. McKinstry
@john-w-mckinstry
10/14/22 10:43:44PM
59 posts

Hearing Aids


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Hi Richard,  Six months ago I started wearing hearing aids and I also noticed that my dulcimers don't have that sweet quality sound I am accustomed to when wearing them. I too, either take them off, or use my remote to shut them down when I play. I am glad I am not they only one with this problem. 

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
10/14/22 08:05:25PM
277 posts

Hearing Aids


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Thought I would ask. With my hearing aids, all of my dulcimores sound from bad to terrible. They are pretty pricey hearing aids, not like at Wally World. My audiologist added a "music" program. It must have been programmed for hard rock. Sure did not help.  The audiologist is from the Appalachian Mountains and is familiar with the sweet voice of the dulcimore. She did say she is not surprised that the hearing aids do not "hear" the sounds of the dulcimore correctly.

I usually take them out or turn them off when I play.

 

Thought I'd ask if anyone else that wears hearing aids has noticed anything similar.


updated by @richard-streib: 02/14/23 05:47:27PM
Richard Streib
@richard-streib
10/14/22 04:07:00PM
277 posts

Walworth capo issue


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Hobby stores sometimes sell some neoprene material in small sheets. Buy  a piece of the thickness  you need, cut to fit and attach with super glue. Shoe repair stores many times have neoprene as well and may give you scrap they have that is too small for any repairs they do.

Susie
@susie
10/14/22 01:24:25PM
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Walworth capo issue


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Elderly Instruments in Lansing, MI was the first to start carrying them (when I got mine....I have two). They are made in Chelsea, MI, just south of me. Elderly has been my go-to store since 1974. They are very helpful. I would give Elderly a call and see if they can resolve this for you, by either getting you the dense rubber pieces you need, or getting you the contact information for the company. 

https://www.elderly.com/pages/contactus


updated by @susie: 10/14/22 01:25:49PM
Dusty Turtle
@dusty
10/14/22 11:24:31AM
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Walworth capo issue


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I gather you are not talking about the part of the capo that presses down on the strings, but rather the parts that hold the capo tight on the dulcimer, correct?

It might not look too nice, but you could get those little felt pads that are made to put under furniture so they don't scratch hardwood floors.  They are sticky on one side and have a soft felt on the other.  They come in so many sizes and shapes, I'm sure you could find some that would work.  And they're not expensive.

Wally Venable
@wally-venable
10/14/22 10:42:58AM
139 posts



I'm with John.

I'd get tuners which match the originals (more or less). Easy to remove and install.

If you don't have an electronic tuner, get one. They can save a lot of strings if you aren't skilled at tuning, and of course the tuner can be moved to your shorter VSL instrument. My preference is a KORG tuner with a clip-on guitar pickup, but I have also been happy with the cheap ($4 from China) JOYO type

DulcimerJones
@dulcimerjones
10/14/22 10:12:21AM
21 posts

Walworth capo issue


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I have two brass Walworth capos that I love.  The problem is the little black hard rubber pieces that "squeeze" the fretboard are deteriorating.  I've tried contacting the manufacturer, but couldn't find a contact and none of the commercial instrument or accessories dealers sell repair parts...only the entire capo.  They are relatively expensive and since I already own two, I can't justify buying another one just to get the two little parts I need.

Anyone else have this problem or know of a good solution?

Thanks.

John C. Knopf
@john-c-knopf
10/14/22 09:29:23AM
445 posts



If I had it, I would unscrew the tuners, give the body a good cleaning-- steel wool, maybe a coat of Deft semigloss spray lacquer, and paste wax (or Pledge!).  Replace the tuners, either with the same type as what you have, or even upgrade a bit. Check the fretboard for flatness, put new strings on and go at it!

Alathea
@alathea
10/13/22 11:42:56PM
11 posts

Introduce Yourself!


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Gina, do you have any breathing tips/exercises for Penny whistle? I’m a vocalist so I’m used to BIG breaths and big sounds (large framed baritone guy). I’ve never played a wind instrument before. I always over blow. 

ill research this Quarentune, also- it sounds like a blast

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
10/13/22 11:34:13PM
1,338 posts

Introduce Yourself!


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Gina, in order to be able to post in a group you have to first join the group. There is a green block at the top of the group page which you click on to join the group.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
10/13/22 11:18:44PM
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Gina, here a a few comments for what they are worth. $200 to fix that dulcimer sounds like a lot of money. A new set of similar tuning machines is a little less than $20. It shouldn't take more than a half hour to take the old ones off and put the new ones on. 27 inches is not an extremely long VSL for a dulcimer, but today most folks who play chord melody style prefer a shorter VSL. Folkcraft makes dulcimers with shorter VSLs. Even if you had the pieces broken out of the lower bout sound hole, it would be very difficult to repair. Personally, I would not spend anymore money on this instrument. I'd take the tuners off, clean them as best I could, reinstall them, put on new strings, and use it to learn to play until I could afford a new one.

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
10/13/22 10:29:08PM
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IMHO spending $200 to fix a $100 dulcimer is not worth it unless you happened to luck onto an historical instrument from a known master builder (it has happened, but rarely).  Spend the $200 on another instrument.  Keep you eyes open here for someone selling an instrument that you could become attached to, at a price you can afford!

As Richard sez, we can talk you through cleaning up the instrument you have, adjusting the tuners so they work as properly as possible, and other issues.  

As a new player I recommend you copy, print and read the following booklet I wrote a few years back for beginners called
I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What?   It's an illustrated glossary of dulcimer terms, so we all speak the same jargon, plus answers to many beginner questions about tuning, playing, care and feeding.  Tips like how to never breaks another string when tuning...

Ken Hulme's "I Just Got A Dulcimer, Now What?" Article - Strumelia | fotmd.com

The Beginner Players Group here is the perfect place to ask beginner questions.  You actually have to Join the Group to read most posts and make your own posts there.  Start a new post with your question(s) rather than tagging in on someone else's post -- it will help others like you find the answers you asked for.  

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/13/22 08:38:55PM
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How do I create a new forum discussion?


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Folks, be sure to look over ALL the discussions in the "How Do I...?" forum, for help in figuring out how to do things on the site here.

Check it out, the answers may already be there waiting for you:

https://fotmd.com/forums/forum/site-questions-how-do-i

Richard Streib
@richard-streib
10/13/22 08:19:39PM
277 posts



I understand your quandary. Over the 28 years I have messed with dulcimers, for me, I have found that second to the sound of the dulcimer, I need to enjoy the looks. I do like nice looking and well finished wood. From what you are saying, it sounds like you may have a hard time enjoying the looks of this dulcimer. (perhaps I read you wrong?)

There a number of people on this site who can give you some good advice on how to clean this dulcimer up yourself--I am not one of them. Perhaps you could get the build up off the tuning machines, get them oiled so they work smoothly  and get  the wood cleaned up to look nicer. Then you can play it and save up for one that is nicer with a shorter vsl. I have personally purchased more than 5 dulcimers, several sight unseen, which were bought by the original owner as an impulse buy, played very little if at all, then put away and stored. One of them still had the noter stick and the pick sealed in its little envelope that had not been opened.  I say this to let you know that used or second hand dulcimers are not something to avoid out of hand if they have been stored in a home with controlled temp and humidity--not in a rental storage unit, not in a damp basement or in a hot attic.

Just my 2 cents. Best wishes with this project whichever way you decide to go.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
10/13/22 04:30:02PM
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How do I create a new forum discussion?


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The How To Start A Discussion instructions are in the very first post at the bottom of this string. 

Basically go to the Discussion area you want to start a new Discussion in, such as General Mountain Dulcimer Or Music Discussions.  At the top of that page, click on the + sign at the right of the name.   In the appropriate boxes, give the new Discussion a name and write a bit about what you want to discuss there.  Then click the Create Button.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
10/13/22 07:47:31AM
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Introduce Yourself!


General mountain dulcimer or music discussions

Gina & Doug -- there IS a UK dulcimer organization -- it's been around for decades.  The group is called Nonesuch Dulcimer Club: www.dulcimer.org.uk   They can set you straight as to local players, activities, meet ups and such.


updated by @ken-hulme: 10/13/22 07:48:39AM
DouglasCoates
@soledad
10/13/22 02:41:07AM
5 posts

Introduce Yourself!


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Hi @ginaB  - I'm in same position - Kent in England, not a dulcimer in sight! I'm working it out slowly but must say it has a distinctive warmth of sound that is really distinctive and good. I have family members pick it up and get simple tunes out immediately. I got the Mel Bay chord book which is useful and also gives one of the best explanations of modes I've seen anywhere. But it's still upside down to me smile  (guitar player you see).

enjoy

Dusty Turtle
@dusty
10/12/22 11:48:59PM
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Introduce Yourself!


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Welcome to FOTMD, @ginaB.  Peruse the forums and join any groups that interest you (you have to join to see all the discussion posts).  Ask questions whenever you please.  We'll be happy to offer answers -- and some of them might even be correct!

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/11/22 04:02:42PM
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Fret that won’t stay put


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@molly-mccurdy - I need to contact you right away. I've sent you a private note here. Can you please check your FOTMD inbox and respond to me? Thank you!  -strumelia

Dwain Wilder
@dwain-wilder
10/11/22 02:10:01PM
74 posts

Fret that won’t stay put


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One other trick: use a business card to apply the glue:

  • First make sure there is no 'garbage' left at the bottom of the slot! A flexible 6" ruler can be used to shove sawdust and old glue out (though it's a shame to use such a nice tool for that).
  • Apply glue along edge of card and draw it through the slot. Just half an inch of glue might be enough
  • The first application is a "primer." Wait for it to dry, then repeat
  • Matt Berg's tip about putting down tape is a good one, but be sure to remove it before putting in the fret
    • His tip about using rubbing alcohol or acetone to dissolve CA glue is interesting. I'll have to try it! There is also an "Uncure" fluid for CA glue, but it only softens the glue, and can possibly make a mess if used to completely remove all traces of glue.
  • Then press fret in. Use a true straight-edge long enough to span the 6, 6-1/2 and 7th frets to make sure the fret is not put in "high". Any rocking can be cured with a small block of wood and a tap with the hammer.
  • Also check the 5, 6, and 6-1/2 frets, to make sure the fret isn't too low
  • CA glues are available in a variety of thicknesses for different gap-filling uses. I find that a medium-thick AC glue is perfect for such repairs.

And here is a tip for builders:

  • before inserting frets, dress the edges of the slots with a 45° chamfer just wide enough so the barbs of the fret go in on the chamfered edge not the top surface.
    • When it is time to pull the frets, this will avoid the dreaded grain pull-up.
    • Both the person who does the re-fretting job and the instrument owner will be grateful for that small task.
    • I use a small pillar file with one edge blank, so I'm only cutting on one edge at a time. That keeps the file from jumping out of the slot!

updated by @dwain-wilder: 10/11/22 02:15:09PM
Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
10/10/22 05:26:47PM
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David Schnaufer


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Thanks, Ken.  I appreciate your sharing this information.  

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
10/10/22 02:29:32PM
1,338 posts

David Schnaufer


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Blair School of Music at Vanderbilt University still has a Folk Music department. Currently there are two instructors in fiddling but none on other folk instruments. There is no chair listed for the department. There also is a department of ethnomusicology.

Ken
"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
10/10/22 08:35:56AM
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David Schnaufer


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@don-grundy I'd be interested in learning what has become of the program there, too.  

Alathea
@alathea
10/09/22 06:37:12PM
11 posts

Seagull Merlin spruce- stain? Lacquer under soundhole?


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Not perfect pitch, very good relative pitch, though, thanks to voice training and barbershop singing!

Ken Longfield
@ken-longfield
10/09/22 06:34:37PM
1,338 posts

Seagull Merlin spruce- stain? Lacquer under soundhole?


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I don't know how involved you want to be in this project or how much you want to spend on it, but StewMac sells colored lacquers that do an excellent job. Here is a link: https://www.stewmac.com/search/?q=lacquer

Ken

"The dulcimer sings a sweet song."

Robin Thompson
@robin-thompson
10/09/22 09:03:53AM
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Holiday


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@ken-hulme Your trip sounds incredible!  I'm especially happy you survived hurricane Ian! 

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
10/09/22 08:00:19AM
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Holiday


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WHAT AN ODYSSEY!   Nearly perfect month in the UK  from the far south (Steyning on the coast of West Sussex) to Lincolnshire on the east coast.  Then up north beyond the northern tip of Scotland to the  Orkney islands, when humans first came to the UK tens of thousands of years ago.  Home to stone monuments, underground villages and religious centers as old or older than the pyramids and at least as impressive as Stonehenge.  From there driving diagonally Scotland to Oban on the west cost, down the The Great Glen (which includes Loch Ness).  Then diagonally the other way to Dunbar south of Edinburgh and on to the West March where my ancestors held sway around the towns of Coldstream, Kelso, Eyemouth and the stately homes/castles of Wedderburn, Duns, Marchemont and Hirsel (including the lands of the Blackadder branch of the family for you Rowan Atkinson fans).  After our Clan Gathering, we went south to Birmingham for a week or so before returning to the US.

Ken Hulme
@ken-hulme
10/09/22 07:51:30AM
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Seagull Merlin spruce- stain? Lacquer under soundhole?


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Stain and lacquer or varnish are not the same things.  Lacquer or varnish provide a protective covering, which is clear or slightly red-golden in color.  Stain just colors the wood -- make your spruce look dark like oak or red like cherry or brown like mahogany.  Unless you have perfect pitch or extremely sensitive instruments you will never hear an effect that such tretments will have on the sound (at least until the finish gets 1/16" deep!).  

Cindy Stammich
@cindy-stammich
10/08/22 08:16:57PM
72 posts

It's so easy....


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Awe!!!  Where's the sound?  catdance

Pretty cute!

Alathea
@alathea
10/08/22 02:39:44PM
11 posts

It's so easy....


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original

So easy, any one can play it - and my keyboard, my Fender, my Princeton, and my Yairi.....


updated by @alathea: 10/08/22 02:41:18PM
Alathea
@alathea
10/08/22 11:31:37AM
11 posts

Seagull Merlin spruce- stain? Lacquer under soundhole?


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Thanks, John, Ill give that some thought. I didn't think of spray lacquer/stain. 

Strumelia
@strumelia
10/07/22 07:27:23AM
2,403 posts

Help identify this épinette.


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@marg - if you are tuning to the key of D, then the note D would be "1" as you count on your fingers with the alphabet... and the fifth (5) from there would be A (D, E, F, G, A). That's the 1 (the tonic or key note) and its 5th note in the scale... D with A. Hence the popular tuning DAA.

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